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Problem/Question
(November 17, 1998):
Thanks in advance
Contact Name: Kevin Deighton
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Solution/Answer: Can you help? The discussion thus far: (January 31, 1999): Nondestrucive testing of incandescent lamps is an interesting problem. Let us first find out on what possible factors life depends. Inherent factors resident with the product due to design, manufacturing, QC etc. The external factors are voltage fluctuations and environmental factors. After study of these one can evolve a test method. Current drawn will be an indicator. Current will increase as end of life nears. This excludes failures due to vibration and shock. Would like to have views of others.
Contact Name: Dattatraya Vishnu Petkar
(October 13, 1999): The question regading condition monitoring of incandescent lamps posed on the " help " line of SRE came to my notice recently. Here is my contribution to the discussion. The failure mechanism of incandescent lamps is as follows : There are local constrictions in cross section of the filament caused by manufacturing imperfections. Locations close to the filament terminations are more vulnerable. The operating temperature of the filament is higher at such constrictions. The differences are small but sufficient to cause higher rates of sublimation of tungsten from such spots. As this process continues, the constriction becomes worse and this establishes a vicious cycle of acclerating degradation which culminates in the burning out of the lamp sooner or later. Sooner if the lamp voltage is high , later if the voltage is low. The average life obtained at rated voltage depends on the precision and uniformity of the cross section of the tungsten filament. The temperature differences at constrictions are very small under steady state conditions due to the conduction of heat along the length of the filament. However, in the starting phase ( lasting a few milliseconds) when a lamp is switched on, the temperature differences are higher. In fact this is the reason why all incandescent lamp burn-outs occur when they are switched on.... a fact noted by most house-holders. This suggests a possible non-destructive method for condition monitoring of incandescent lamps. Pass a measured pulse of current through the lamp being tested. The pulse should be strong enough to bring the whole filament to red heat. Look at the filament through an infra-red camera with a storage-type display.The number and intensity of hot spots in the filament may give a reliable indication of the imminence of failure. Test parameters and display norms can be established after making tests on lamps of different ages in service and correlating the data with the actual life obtained in service after these tests. I am not aware of any instrument manufacturer who has developed and marketed such a device. If there is someone out there who has already a device like this or who is prepared to develop it, or if there is any other device based on any other principle which can achieve the same result, he may get in touch with the correspondent who posed the original question and also with me because it interests me too.
Contact Name: A. A. Hattangadi
Problem/Question
(November 10, 1998):
I have already tested my model using software failures and the validity criteria I used in that case was the total amount of failures predictive capability, but I think it wouldn't be a good criteria in systems reliability. Thank you in advance, and have my apologize if I disturb you.
Contact Name: Ing. Jonas Pfefferman
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Solution/Answer: Can you help?
Problem/Question
(October 22, 1998):
Contact: Russell W. Morris
Company Name and Address:
Solution/Answer: Can you help?
Problem/Question
(October 20, 1998):
If there is an expressed relationship or formula for this I would appreciate any comments or inputs. Please call me at 937-255-7777, ext 3215 if you would need more details or information. My E-Mail address is rhunt@afit.af.mil.
Contact: Major Ron Hunt
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Solution/Answer: Can you help? The discussion thus far: (March 14, 1998): Dear Major Ron Hunt, I am not able to understand your question properly. However I am attempting to do so. System Availabilty depends on MTBF and MTBM by the relation:
if MTBM << MTBF
Contact Name: Dattatraya Vishnu Petkar
Problem/Question
(September 29, 1998):
As IT Dept. I always need some books in English edition freely to support my job and study. You know that my country have big economy problem. everything is very expensive. In the next year (1999) I'll study at University of Indonesia to get Electrical Engineering. So in the next year I'll learn some subjects, as follows : Basic of Electrical, Basic of Electronic & Digital, and about Computer & Control. To support my work and study, would you kindly send me some books or catalog and data sheet books about those subjects. For example:
- Electronic & Digital Standards
Besides, I would be very happy if you could send me also some IEEE
Standards Catalog.
Always remain with
Contact Name: Arif Hendrawan
Company Name and Address:
Solution/Answer: Can you help?
Problem/Question
(August 29, 1998):
Contact: Izhar Ahmad
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Solution/Answer: Can you help? The discussion thus far: (August 31, 1998): Reference your query regarding solution /answer. I had established Reliability Evaluation Laboratory and managed the same for nearly two decades back in India. For some personal work I am here for some time. Hope will be able to help you. Before conducting accelerated testing at higher temperatures one will have to see that failure mode does not change. It is essential to see that components, PCBs, soldered joints are qualified firstly by conducting environmental tests, bearing in mind the environment to which the parts are subjected during the life time. It will be interesting to have detailed discussions. Do write back.
Contact Name: D. V. Petkar
(September 3, 1998): These components and PCBs are intended for sub-surface (Oil Well) operation. These circuit boards will be housed in pressure housing and will be installed at a depth greater than 20K feet. Minimum target for operational duration is 5 years at 150 deg C continuous. I can be reached at 713-972-6664. Thanks for our interest and help. Izhar (September 11, 1998): Sorry I could not contact you as I was out of station. Your requirement for reliability is nearly similar to that of submarine repeater system. Submarine repeater life expectancy is 30 years as maintenance is externally costly. I have some more questions as follows:
1. Have you designed the system for life of 500 yr. to have practically no
chance of failure in 5 years?
I am available on phone 203-372-9781. D. V. Petkar
Problem/Question
(August 27, 1998):
Contact: SH Kong
Company Name and Address:
Solution/Answer: Can you help?
Problem/Question
(August 14, 1998):
Title: "Mathematical aspects of Reliability centered Maintenance"
Contact: Gerard Borg
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Solution/Answer: Can you help?
Problem/Question
(July 28, 1998):
The main focus has been (i) to develop fabrication technologies for improving long-term stability, (ii) to develop appropriate accelerated test procedures for identifying the degradation mechanisms, and (iii) to develop device models capable of predicting long-term reliability from accelerated life tests. Unfortunately, the way we perform these accelerated life tests have come under some scrutiny and I would like to get other peoples inputs and experiences on the subject.
Contact: Sean Keefe
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Solution/Answer: Can you help? The discussion thus far: (August 17, 1998): It will be interesting to evolve a reliable accelerated testing plan for the products. I am presently here for a few months for some personal work. Hope will be able to help in the development of reliable accelerated testing methods. Environmental Testing as per IEC standards is proof testing of the product. In fact these tests are accelerated tests done at maximum environmental stresses likely to be encountered by the product during its life. The product in question has connection reliability problem. Vibration accompanied by Low temperature will be a good screen test. However, without knowing the present test plans it will be difficult to suggest any improved program.
Contact Name: D. V. Petkar
(August 17, 1998): Thanks for the input, to which product line were you referring to, regarding the accelerated life test? (August 19, 1998): My mail was in response to your query dated 28 July as appeared in Can You Help of SRE bulletin regarding MWIR and LWIR HgCdTe or InSb detectors. You seem to have accelerated testing procedure with which you are not happy. Your focus on development of (i) fabrication technologies (ii) test procedures for identification of degradation mechanisms and (iii) models for reliability prediction are challenges. Contact stability seems to be your critical problem. You must have identified the environmental factors which degrade the contact. If not one needs to identify these and their stress/strain relationship. If the degradation factors are known what is the stress level and contact life & noise characteristics relation to stress level. One need to go in detailed planning and experimentation with single and/or combined environment testing under step stress conditions before one goes for reliability testing. I have given my views based on my experience in managing an independent Reliability Evaluation Laboratory for testing electronic items from devices, components to products and systems for nearly two decades. Hope to hear from you more.
Contact Name: D. V. Petkar
Problem/Question
(July 22, 1998):
Contact: Bailey L. Hall
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Solution/Answer: Can you help?
Problem/Question
(June 25, 1998):
Do you have such a process or interest in helping to develop such a process?
Contact: Bernie Beethe
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Solution/Answer: Can you help? The discussion thus far: (August 17, 1998): It was interesting to see the Question. I am here for some personal work and will be here for a few months. Think I will be able to help in the development of appropriate and optimal Maintenance Program. My views are as follows: Maintenance-Corrective or Preventive-is required to maximise the system Availability. The system Availabilty depends on:
1. Failure rates of components
What need be done is detailed FMECA-Failure Mode, Effect and Criticality Analysis of the systems and subsystems. In addition following information:
1. Type of System-Hazardous or otherwise;
Contact Name: D. V. Petkar
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